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When umer attacked
by Azadar E Mazloom Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:31 am
A brother asked me a question for which I would like some answers, I shall post his question on here...
When Umar (LA) attacked Fatima (as), squeezed her behind the door, his soldiers attacked and beat her, why didn't Imam Ali (as) quickly come and protect her? If you think about it, the whole incident took about 5 minutes, why didnt Imam Ali (as) come and save her?
I know there's one of the narrations which said Imam Ali (as) did come, and he beat Umar up, and was going to kill him but controlled himself, but i lost the hadith. And the majority of the narrations about the incident don't mention Imam Ali (as) fighting Umar or coming and trying to stop it, unless i'm wrong?
If you have any narrations + proof, let me know
^^^
When Umar (LA) attacked Fatima (as), squeezed her behind the door, his soldiers attacked and beat her, why didn't Imam Ali (as) quickly come and protect her? If you think about it, the whole incident took about 5 minutes, why didnt Imam Ali (as) come and save her?
I know there's one of the narrations which said Imam Ali (as) did come, and he beat Umar up, and was going to kill him but controlled himself, but i lost the hadith. And the majority of the narrations about the incident don't mention Imam Ali (as) fighting Umar or coming and trying to stop it, unless i'm wrong?
If you have any narrations + proof, let me know
^^^
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Re: When umer attacked
by ghulam-e-ali Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:19 am
assalamoallaikom
ba tohfa ya ali madad
here is the scan of the said incident from al-ihtijaj tabarasi
i hope this scan works out
ba tohfa ya ali madad
here is the scan of the said incident from al-ihtijaj tabarasi
i hope this scan works out
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Re: When umer attacked
by ghulam-e-ali Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:37 am
it is not working
this is the main link
i think u should check it
http://img190.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img190/8118/alihtijaaj.jpg
or
https://2img.net/h/oi48.tinypic.com/mwtnux.jpg
this is the main link
i think u should check it
http://img190.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img190/8118/alihtijaaj.jpg
or
https://2img.net/h/oi48.tinypic.com/mwtnux.jpg
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Re: When umer attacked
by Azadar E Mazloom Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:52 am
Jazakallah brother Ghulam, the link does work and thanks for your contribution 
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Re: When umer attacked
by Azadar E Mazloom Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:59 am
Brother Ghulam-E-Ali, can you by any chance provide us with the Arabic or English version of this?
Much appreciated
Much appreciated
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Re: When umer attacked
by ghulam-e-ali Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:04 am
salam
you can have the arabic part of this all incident online here
http://www.al-shia.org/html/ara/books/lib-hadis/ehtejaj-1/index.html
you can have the arabic part of this all incident online here
http://www.al-shia.org/html/ara/books/lib-hadis/ehtejaj-1/index.html
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Re: When umer attacked
by Mohammed Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:01 pm
This is in English.
If you have ANY doubt about Umar's (LA) attack on Fatima (as), the best place to read is this website:
http://www.almujtaba.com/books/tragedy/
If you have ANY doubt about Umar's (LA) attack on Fatima (as), the best place to read is this website:
http://www.almujtaba.com/books/tragedy/
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Re: When umer attacked
by Azadar E Mazloom Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:28 pm
Thank you members
Mohammed brother, do I know you?
Mohammed brother, do I know you?
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Re: When umer attacked
by Mohammed Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:30 pm
Check your Facebook inbox, and you'll know who i am 
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Re: When umer attacked
by Silat_warrior110 Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:30 am
Let us begin with Abu Muhammad Abdullah bin Muslim bin Qutaybah (d. 276 Hijri) who in his famous book al Imama wa al Siyasa pages 18-28 states as follows:
Abu Bakr was after group of people who failed to give bayya and gathered with Ali, he sent Umar in their direction. He (Umar) called them to come out from the house of Ali, but they refused to come out. Thus (Umar) asked (his men) to bring wood, then he said: 'I swear by He who controls the life of Umar, if you people do not come out of the house I shall set fire to it, and everyone inside shall perish. Some people said: 'O Abu Hafs (Umar), Fatima is also in this house'. Umar replied, 'I do not care' Then the people came out from the house and gave bayya except Ali.
Al-Imama Walsiyasa Page 12
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Those who fell behind giving the bayya of Abu Bakr were Abbas, Zubayr and Sa'd bin Ubada, amongst whom Ali, Abbas and Zubayr were sitting in the house of Fatima. At that time Abu Bakr sent Umar ibn al-Khattab with the order 'that you remove those gathered in the house of Fatima, and if they refuse to come out then fight them'. Umar brought fire to the house of Fatima, then Fatima met him and said: 'O Ibn Khattab have you arrived in order to set my home on fire?'. He (Umar) replied: 'Yes, unless if you people give bayya to Abu Bakr as others have done’.
Al Iqd al Fareed, Volume 3 page 273
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img35/2686/aqdulfareed.jpg
The most renowned Sunni historian Ibn Jareer al Tabari also recorded this event. We read in al Tabari (English translation), Volume 9 page 187:
Ibn Humayd - Jarir - Mughirah - Ziyad b. Kulayb:Umar Ibn al-Khattab came to the house of Ali. Talha and Zubair and some of the immigrants were also in the house. Umar cried out: "By God, either you come out to render the oath of allegiance, or I will set the house on fire." al-Zubair came out with his sword drawn. As he stumbled (upon something), the sword fell from his hand so they jumped over him and seized him."
History of al-Tabari, Volume 9 page 187
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img824/1962/altabari.jpg
There are far more other referances I have regarding this, but this should be more then enough to prove the event had taken place.As soon as the criminals set fire to and broke down the door, causing the miscarriage and eventual death of Fatima Zahra
. Imam Ali charged like a lion and caused all of the cowards to scatter, he grabbed Umar (la) by the neck and slammed him down to the ground and he told him "By God if I had not taken that oath from the Prophet 
(the oath being not to take his sword on these people - in order to prevent civil war) I would kill you right now" I hope that help with your answer.
Abu Bakr was after group of people who failed to give bayya and gathered with Ali, he sent Umar in their direction. He (Umar) called them to come out from the house of Ali, but they refused to come out. Thus (Umar) asked (his men) to bring wood, then he said: 'I swear by He who controls the life of Umar, if you people do not come out of the house I shall set fire to it, and everyone inside shall perish. Some people said: 'O Abu Hafs (Umar), Fatima is also in this house'. Umar replied, 'I do not care' Then the people came out from the house and gave bayya except Ali.
Al-Imama Walsiyasa Page 12
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img375/4530/alimamawalsiyasa.jpg
Those who fell behind giving the bayya of Abu Bakr were Abbas, Zubayr and Sa'd bin Ubada, amongst whom Ali, Abbas and Zubayr were sitting in the house of Fatima. At that time Abu Bakr sent Umar ibn al-Khattab with the order 'that you remove those gathered in the house of Fatima, and if they refuse to come out then fight them'. Umar brought fire to the house of Fatima, then Fatima met him and said: 'O Ibn Khattab have you arrived in order to set my home on fire?'. He (Umar) replied: 'Yes, unless if you people give bayya to Abu Bakr as others have done’.
Al Iqd al Fareed, Volume 3 page 273
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img35/2686/aqdulfareed.jpg
The most renowned Sunni historian Ibn Jareer al Tabari also recorded this event. We read in al Tabari (English translation), Volume 9 page 187:
Ibn Humayd - Jarir - Mughirah - Ziyad b. Kulayb:Umar Ibn al-Khattab came to the house of Ali. Talha and Zubair and some of the immigrants were also in the house. Umar cried out: "By God, either you come out to render the oath of allegiance, or I will set the house on fire." al-Zubair came out with his sword drawn. As he stumbled (upon something), the sword fell from his hand so they jumped over him and seized him."
History of al-Tabari, Volume 9 page 187
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img824/1962/altabari.jpg
There are far more other referances I have regarding this, but this should be more then enough to prove the event had taken place.As soon as the criminals set fire to and broke down the door, causing the miscarriage and eventual death of Fatima Zahra
. Imam Ali charged like a lion and caused all of the cowards to scatter, he grabbed Umar (la) by the neck and slammed him down to the ground and he told him "By God if I had not taken that oath from the Prophet (the oath being not to take his sword on these people - in order to prevent civil war) I would kill you right now" I hope that help with your answer.
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