Marafah of Ahlulbayt (as)
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Marafah of Ahlulbayt (as)
by Silat_warrior110 Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:48 am
Salam, I would just like to share some of my findings when studying the holy Quran and the teachings of the Ahlulbayt (as). This article is based on the clay of Paradise and clay of hell fire which is mentioned in the Quran but people know a very little off.
"Nay, verily the record of the Righteous is (preserved) in 'ILLIYIN" (83:18)
In light of the above verse, I came across the following hadith..
Al Kafi H 1010, Ch. 94, h 1
A number of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from abu Yahya al-Wasiti from some of our people from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) the following. "Allah has created us from ‘Illiyin (high above) and He has created our spirits from above that. He has created the spirit of our Shi‘as (followers) from ‘Illiyin and their bodies from below that. For this reason there is relationship among us and among them and their hearts are affectionate towards us."
Now if Illiyin is the clay from paradise, what will be those who are of the enemys of Ahlulbayt (as)?
Let us look at the Quran..
"Nay! Surely the record of the wicked is (preserved) in SIJJIN." (83:7)
Which one again could be understood in the following hadith..
Al Kafi H 1012, Ch. 94, h 3
Amir al-Muminin (a.s) who has said the following " The ones nearest to God will bring it to public." (83:21) Our enemies are created from Sijjin aand the hearts of their followers are created from what they are created and their bodies are created from below that, thus, their hearts incline to them because they are created from what they are created"
"Nay, verily the record of the Righteous is (preserved) in 'ILLIYIN" (83:18)
In light of the above verse, I came across the following hadith..
Al Kafi H 1010, Ch. 94, h 1
A number of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from abu Yahya al-Wasiti from some of our people from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) the following. "Allah has created us from ‘Illiyin (high above) and He has created our spirits from above that. He has created the spirit of our Shi‘as (followers) from ‘Illiyin and their bodies from below that. For this reason there is relationship among us and among them and their hearts are affectionate towards us."
Now if Illiyin is the clay from paradise, what will be those who are of the enemys of Ahlulbayt (as)?
Let us look at the Quran..
"Nay! Surely the record of the wicked is (preserved) in SIJJIN." (83:7)
Which one again could be understood in the following hadith..
Al Kafi H 1012, Ch. 94, h 3
Amir al-Muminin (a.s) who has said the following " The ones nearest to God will bring it to public." (83:21) Our enemies are created from Sijjin aand the hearts of their followers are created from what they are created and their bodies are created from below that, thus, their hearts incline to them because they are created from what they are created"
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Re: Marafah of Ahlulbayt (as)
by Rational Mind Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:33 am
So the momineen have no choice but to love the Aimma (as) and the munafiqeen have no choice but to hate?
If that is the clay they are made from and there actions are as a result of it, then how can anyone be punished or rewarded for their actions since it is dictated by the essence of their creation to be good or bad?
If that is the clay they are made from and there actions are as a result of it, then how can anyone be punished or rewarded for their actions since it is dictated by the essence of their creation to be good or bad?
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Re: Marafah of Ahlulbayt (as)
by Silat_warrior110 Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:33 am
"We have left out nothing in the book." (6:38)
Lohe mahfooz consist of the knowledge of all that takes place in the universe. If nothing has been left out from this book, then can you tell me why somone is punished or rewarded for their actions since it is dictated by the essence of their creation ?
Lohe mahfooz consist of the knowledge of all that takes place in the universe. If nothing has been left out from this book, then can you tell me why somone is punished or rewarded for their actions since it is dictated by the essence of their creation ?
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Re: Marafah of Ahlulbayt (as)
by Rational Mind Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:39 am
Has someone edited posts on here?
Look at the hadeeth you posted, it states "their hearts are inclined towards that because that is what they are made from". Now if they are inclined to d o something and the good are inclined to do good and the bad inclined to do bad, how is that freedom of choice?
Having knowledge is one thing, contained knowledge is also something not relevant. But if that knowledge influenced the people to act a certain way, then that becomes predestination and pre ordination.
Look back at the hadeeth and see for yourself.
Look at the hadeeth you posted, it states "their hearts are inclined towards that because that is what they are made from". Now if they are inclined to d o something and the good are inclined to do good and the bad inclined to do bad, how is that freedom of choice?
Having knowledge is one thing, contained knowledge is also something not relevant. But if that knowledge influenced the people to act a certain way, then that becomes predestination and pre ordination.
Look back at the hadeeth and see for yourself.
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Re: Marafah of Ahlulbayt (as)
by Silat_warrior110 Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:30 am
What is the purpose of Lohe mahfooz if everything has been recorded by Allah (swt) including what man is made from and where he ends up?
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Re: Marafah of Ahlulbayt (as)
by Rational Mind Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:39 am
Why dont you try and answer my question brother Silat? do you believe in predestination?
Do you believe a person has complete freedom of choice or that he is going to behave a certain way because of the way he is made?
Lowh e Mehfooz is a record of everything that has happened but it does not influence any persons choice.
what you are talking about is going against the justice of Allah.
According to what you are saying, those people of the sijjin should not be punished since their constitution is of matter which inclines them to evil and those of the illiyun inclines them to good.
Now with this influence, how can there be choice if people are predisposed to do something because of the substance of their constitution and essence?
Do you believe a person has complete freedom of choice or that he is going to behave a certain way because of the way he is made?
Lowh e Mehfooz is a record of everything that has happened but it does not influence any persons choice.
what you are talking about is going against the justice of Allah.
According to what you are saying, those people of the sijjin should not be punished since their constitution is of matter which inclines them to evil and those of the illiyun inclines them to good.
Now with this influence, how can there be choice if people are predisposed to do something because of the substance of their constitution and essence?
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Re: Marafah of Ahlulbayt (as)
by Silat_warrior110 Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:51 pm
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Lowh e Mehfooz is a record of everything that has happened but it does not influence any persons choice.
Now does Lowh e Mehfooz not contain what subsentence you created from?
Lowh e Mehfooz is a record of everything that has happened but it does not influence any persons choice.
Now does Lowh e Mehfooz not contain what subsentence you created from?
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Re: Marafah of Ahlulbayt (as)
by Rational Mind Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:30 am
Answer the question please.....
Dont bring lowh e mehfooz into it.
Stop trying to evade the question and answer my question.
Dont bring lowh e mehfooz into it.
Stop trying to evade the question and answer my question.
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Re: Marafah of Ahlulbayt (as)
by Silat_warrior110 Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:59 am
Why should I answer your Question, when you have not answer mine? 
If you can answer If lowh e mehfooz contains the fact If one has been created from either one of these clays then you might find your answer...
If you can answer If lowh e mehfooz contains the fact If one has been created from either one of these clays then you might find your answer...
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